Ireland's Child Detention System
Published on December 3, 2004 By theknitter In CursorFX

Revealing the horrors of Childhood Detention in Ireland's Child Detention facilities - 2024 update


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on Jan 22, 2005
So its official, the not so very "reverend" and now it transpires the not so "VERY DOPEY " cardinal desmond connell has now taken ""transubstantiation"" to a higher level of "godliness", desmond now controls ALL ASPECTS OF CRIMINAL LAW IN IRELAND, and has PUBLICLY DECREED THAT IT IS NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE TO RAPE, BUGGER, OR SODOMIZE A CHILD IN IRELAND, ITS ACCEPTABLE, ITS THE DONE THING BY HIS CHURCH AND HIERARCHY, its a perk of ""the job"", and under ""canon law"", as the dear desmond states, """HE IS UNTOUCHABLE""", he or his marauding clerical arse bandits cannot be held to account for such crimes, WHY, because """canon law"" says so............It now appears we can discount tacit collusion at the highest level of government in "acommadating" the hierarchy, in pursuing their devilish "policies", desmond it seems, has been the fount of LAW all along, gee whiz, why didnt somebody tell us?????? SO if the dear desmond insists on sending BISHOP ANGRY out tomorrow to ROB A BANK, does that mean THE NOT SO DOPEY CARDINAL CAN HAVE ME ABSOLVED OF THE CRIME IF THE GARDAI "FEEL MY COLLAR"", and that BISHOP ANGRY IS """PROTECTED""" under "canon law" from being charged with a "criminal offence", such as bank robbing???????????, is this what desmond means by "canon law" HAVING THE SAME STATUS AS FOREIGN LAW, and this """"""FOREIGN LAW""""" RESIDES in THE PRESENCE OF THE """""HOLY SEE""""", can I take it then, that desmond is saying THAT THE LITTLE FAT FELLOW IN ROME CONTROLS ALL CRIME IN IRELAND??????????????????????, crimes, that is, related to his CLERICS???????????????????...................................................................Of course, this now sheds light on the obduracy of ""THE PIMPING BISHOPS""of Ireland and their stonewalling in secret on their ""NEW CHILD CARE POLICIES", this religious secret coven of hawkish predators see fit to remain silent on the known sexual predators within their midst, they continue to perpetuate the secret system in which the clerical sexual abuse of children(Irish children) continues and flourishes, and this over recent years has been evidenced by the manner in which complaints and allegations of clerical sexual terrorism are met wit in-action and a deferential aura of perpetual silence which gives rise to further abuse by the silence of THE BYSTANDERS , far more damaging to the abused than the dirty deeds of the clerical sexual terrorist............................... That in essence, is the necessitated requirements which the LAVENDAR MAFIA gain from "their version" of "canon law" .............................Perhaps some bright and sharp "legal eagle" could explain to us all the axiom of one "criminal offence" to another, namely, the rape of a child, as opposed to the robbing of a bank, in statute terms, are they the same????????????????????? Has a "lay" person, such as a "retired cardinal" the right in law ANY LAW , to appoint "himself" as JUDGE and JURY, where the CRIME OF RAPE HAS BEEN PROVEN, if the answer to the above is YES, then we suffer the further ignominy of being ruled by A STATE WITHIN A STATE?????????????????????????............. I further see that the "exercising" of "canon law power" by the not so dopey cardinal connell in his "retirement" request to rome to have two priests defrocked, had a further worrying aspect of "abuse of power" in that BOTH THESE PRIESTS WERE DENIED THE RIGHT OF APPEAL??????????????????????? Is that not a "dictatorship" of the worst kind, were not the DIPLOCK COURTS a lesson to the world in absolute tyranny, legal tyranny, and yet, here in THE REPUBLIC we have it being practised by THE MOST CORRUPT AND BRUTAL CATHOLIC HIERARCHY THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN, AND THIS CORRUPT CATHOLIC HIERARRCHY IS STILL BEING LED BY A """SUPPOSEDLY RETIRED CARDINAL""" who continues to stick two fingers up at the WHOLE JUDICIARY IN IRELAND, the word "christian" still eludes this "man"................................................ Well dear desmond, as my health continues to improve, so too will my reminders to you of your total abrogation to moral and christian values.......................................... HAVE A NICE DAY..................... ANGRY.............
on Jan 22, 2005
Its nice to sit at a "screen" again, and "let it flow", I see there are some "very interesting" articles to digest and reply to..........Is it true that DAN has been sectioned??????????? .....................................Angry..................
on Jan 22, 2005
Hello "liberty boy"................................... A very enervating ""teaser" you post .................... ANY MORE????????????????????????????? ........ Angry..............
on Jan 22, 2005
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LEST WE FORGET

Letterfrack: unmarked grave of boy, 4, discovered

Sunday November 3rd 2002 Sunday Independent [SUMMARY]

SURVIVORS of the Letterfrack Industrial School in Connemara uncovered the unmarked grave of a four-year-old boy who died while in the custody of the Christian Brothers and was buried in woods near the school. The discovery came about when a 74-year-old man turned up for a ceremony to mark the graves of the estimated 99 boys who died at the school between the 1870s until it closed in the Seventies.  The man brought organisers to a site in the woods near the school where they found the grave of Bernard Kerrigan, who died in 1935. The elderly man, who wishes to remain anonymous, told the organisers he had played with the boy in the schoolyard and wanted to visit his grave before he died. This man who played with him in the schoolyard confirmed that he died and we found his grave."  The grave is less than 10 yards from the school building. John Prior said they had heard that a boy had been buried in the woods beside the school but had no idea where it was. It was totally unmarked. "This man came here this morning and brought us to the grave. He said he had been playing with Bernard Kerrigan the day before and the next day was at his burial." Boys remember trying to escape from the school and being brought back by local people and Gardaí.

The organisers of the event placed 77 marble hearts in the graveyard beside the school.  While organising the event, the group known as the Joseph Pike Research Group, discovered from Christian Brothers' records that at least 99 boys died in Letterfrack. The Christian Brothers said on Friday that incomplete records had been kept at Letterfrack and that they had kept full records in their Dublin Provincialate. They wished that all records about deaths at the school be made available to families and ex-inmates.

The Christian Brothers gave 97 names but the actual total may be actually 99. In some cases there were no death certificates. They are not registered in the Register of Deaths in Galway. On death certificates the boys have also been robbed of their parentage. They are down as 'son of a tinker', 'son of a labourer', 'son of a butcher'.


 

 

 

on Jan 22, 2005
Hi Angry, It is great to see that you are well again, the trap was set for the spies and they walked straight into it. About Rory there is more to come on this deceiver and the "Trinity". You would be suprised who gives the information over, it is called "Covering your own arse" the religious are experts at this in more ways than one do you agree? In the meantime keep the quill going and here's hoping that the cornflakes are getting stuck in their throat's.
on Jan 22, 2005
In all ages hypocrites called priests have put crowns on the heads of thieves called BISHOPS.
on Jan 22, 2005
Priest (68) pleads guilty to abuse
A retired priest has been remanded on bail for sentencing after evidence was given yesterday at the Dublin Circuit Criminal Court of sexual abuse involving a 16-year-old boy.

Father Harry Moore (68), formerly a curate in Bayside, Dublin, pleaded guilty to two counts of buggery and two of indecent assault on dates between July 1st, 1984, and March 31st, 1985.

Garda Carol Fleming told Ms Róisín Lacey, prosecuting, that Father Moore was known to be an alcoholic by people in the parish at the time.

He was considered to be a "trendy priest" as he wore casual clothes and had a large collection of rock music. He spent a lot of time with young people in the Bayside area on a green known locally as "the lamp chop", which is where he formed a friendship with his victim.

Garda Fleming said that the victim and his friends would call regularly to Father Moore's house as they knew they could get drink from him there.

Garda Fleming said this abuse happened once or twice a week between 1984 and 1985. At one stage, the victim became aware of AIDS and said to Father Moore that he should wear a condom. Father Moore did not agree to this.

Garda Fleming said the victim, who is now 37 years old, reported this sexual abuse to her at Howth Garda station in April 1999.

Dr Patrick Walsh, from the Granada Institute, told Mr Felix McEnroy SC, defending, that Father Moore was first referred there by the archdiocese after he had made inappropriate comments during a sermon in 1993.

He agreed with Mr McEnroy that Father Moore had been drinking heavily since 1970. His father died before his birth, and he was taken into care when he was a child.

Dr Walsh said that when Moore was seven, he was moved to an orphanage, which he left aged 17 to join the priesthood.

Irish Times
on Jan 22, 2005
Abuse case settled for €200,000
A man who was sexually abused and assaulted at school by a former Franciscan teaching brother has settled his High Court action for damages for a sum believed to be close to €200,000.

Mr Justice Lavan was told the action by Mr Joseph Brennan (37), a pipe-layer of Belvedere Court, Tyrrellspass, Co Westmeath, against the State defendants, they having admitted liability, was settled and the proceedings could be struck out.The claim against the Franciscan Order was also struck out with no admission of liability on its part.

Afterwards Mr Donal Farrelly, solicitor for Mr Brennan, said his client was "extremely unhappy" that the Franciscan Order had not apologised.

Mr Feichin McDonagh SC, on behalf of the State, said the State had served notice on the Franciscan Order seeking a contribution or indemnity, and this could be adjourned to Tuesday next.

Mr Brennan claimed he suffered severe personal injuries, psychological trauma, nervous shock and emotional distress as a result of being sexually abused by John Hannon, a convicted sex abuser and former Franciscan.

Irish Times
on Jan 23, 2005
Reply By: "Liberty Boy"(Anonymous User) Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005
Rory do you remember a young girl called Angela.....................it's coming back to haunt you...............Knock Knock, who is that at the door? It's your past Rory did you think that we would not find you out.

on Jan 23, 2005
Nice Laptop ...... flo!
on Jan 23, 2005
I suppose a benefit concert for Rory is out of the question .......... ? Maybe a garage auction where you could get rid of all the junk you don't need .... that laptop would be first on my list, .......
on Jan 23, 2005
Archbishop McQuaid of Dublin was contacted in 1960 by the Gardaí who had discovered pornographic photographs which were being developed in England for a priest who was then chaplain to Our Lady's Hospital for Sick Children in Dublin. Archbishop McQuaid interviewed the priest, Fr Paul McGennis, and "arranged for him to have treatment which was considered successful at the time". (Raftery & O'Sullivan 1999:256) It is evident from this that not only was the Archbishop aware of the abuse, but had developed a mechanisn for dealing with it. Fr. McGennis was convicted in 1997 for sexually young girls in the 1960's while they were patients in Crumlin Hospital.
on Jan 23, 2005
Cleaner ‘abused children in church’ Enda Leahy

THE first case of alleged sexual abuse of a child in a sanctified church building will go to trial in the central criminal court in Dublin later this year. A Donegal man, who was employed as a cleaner by the Catholic church, faces 13 counts of sexual assault and rape. He is expected to plead not guilty to the charges. Colm O’Gorman, the founder and head of One in Four, the Irish charity for victims of sexual abuse, said: “I’ve never heard of any cases of this happening within the physical structure of a church. No one in our organisation has heard of such a case in fact. Though of course that’s not to say that this is the first time it has happened.”

O’Gorman said a high proportion of child abuse took place in the diocese of Raphoe, which covers most of Co Donegal. Last year it emerged that Dr Philip Boyce, the Bishop of Raphoe, left three priests in their posts even though they were under investigation by the gardai for child abuse. Church policy at the time should have resulted in the removal of the suspects until the investigations were completed. Fr Eugene Greene, another priest who was based in the Raphoe diocese, is currently serving a 12-year jail sentence for offences against 26 boys. A BBC spotlight report on the investigation into Greene and the Raphoe diocese revealed that, despite complaints made to senior clergy as early as 1971, the church had nothing on file that could be used by garda investigators.

Another former Donegal priest, Paul McDaid, who had been the secretary to the former bishop, Dr Seamus Hegarty, was jailed in 2003 for possession of child pornography as a result of Operation Amethyst into the illegal downloading of illicit computer images. “It’s a diocese with some real issues and very particular problems,” said O’Gorman.

SOURCE SUNDAY TIMES:> Link
on Jan 23, 2005
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So you want to know who Maurice is FHH well take a look ?My name is Rory Connor. I joined Voices Emerge a few months ago but I have been chasing up false allegations of child abuse for several years now. No one accused me of anything but I was briefly a member of the De La Salle Brothers in1966 - 69 and it was the formative experience of my life. My novice master Brother Maurice Kirk was as important as my parents and I also remember Father Michael Sweetman SJ who gave us an 8 day retreat at the end of our novitiate (training) in September 1967. Brother Maurice died in 1974 and Father Sweetman in 1996 but they shaped my life and I owe them still.

I have tried to initiate legal action against journalists and leaders of "victims" organisations who have made false allegations of child abuse and child murder against the Catholic Church. I have concentrated on the murder allegations because these are the easiest to disprove. In most cases no boy actually died at the time the accusation relates to! The accusers are so reckless that they do not even bother to check death certificates in order to construct a "plausible" libel. They assume they will be allowed to get away with anything and so far they have been right! However I aim to change that.ya but ya but..Rory do you remember a young girl called Angela.....................it's coming back to haunt you...............Knock Knock, who is that at the door? It's your past Rory did you think that we would not find you out?HI Again "MAURICE........now you know Flo.
on Jan 23, 2005
Another View: Is John McCormack still the bishop of Manchester? By RICK WEBB Guest Commentary ACCORDING TO the regulations and customs of the Roman Catholic Church, only the Pope can designate or remove the title of Roman Catholic bishop. Since the Pope has designated John McCormack as bishop of the Diocese of Manchester, in the eyes of the Vatican and those who swear strict allegiance and absolute obedience to the Vatican, it is clear that John McCormack was and still is bishop and leader of New Hampshire Catholics.

What is less clear is how many outside the Vatican still consider John McCormack as a leader of New Hampshire Catholics. In recent decades, the title of Roman Catholic bishop has been recognized as a symbol of respect and moral leadership by both Catholics and non-Catholics in the Granite State. Citizens of New Hampshire looked to the bishops of Manchester to provide moral direction and unite the community in acts of charity and good will.

How many now look to John McCormack for moral leadership? In the last three years, hundreds have arisen in the streets, media and other public forums to demand that McCormack be held accountable for his role in hiding and protecting pedophile priests over a two- decade long period. Only a handful have publicly stood to support him, few if any in recent times as McCormack’s role in the clergy abuse horror has become clearer and clearer. With more than 300,000 Catholics in the state, are there not at least 10 who still consider McCormack to be an able moral leader? From public statements, it does not appear so.

But perhaps public opinion is a poor means of judging a man’s character and moral sense. History has on occasion recorded men who have been widely denounced by their contemporaries, but whom on closer inspection have been lauded as moral leaders for taking a stand that was misunderstood at the time. Does John McCormack need a public forum to explain his actions and gain our support?

I invite Mr. McCormack to join me in an informational debate open to the public and media. This will provide a fair opportunity for McCormack to present his side of the story of his role in the clergy abuse crisis, as well as giving me an opportunity to present the opposing view. To afford Mr. McCormack every opportunity for a fair hearing, he may select up to three advisers to stand with him and provide informed council; I will stand alone. McCormack may also select the place and time of the event, as well as the moderator. The rules will be simple. Mr. McCormack will have five minutes to present his views, I will then be given five minutes to respond or present my own arguments. We will alternate in five minute intervals for 90 minutes, or some other time interval to which we mutually agree. The moderator will ensure that each side has equal time allotments and that the debate remains civil and respectful.

Is John McCormack still bishop? Do the people of New Hampshire accept him as a moral leader? Will he explain his position in public discussion or continue to hide in fear and denial?

Rick Webb is co-founder of Speak Truth To Power, an advocacy group for victims of sexual abuse by priests.
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